Ist dies der Anfang vom Ende ........ ?

in den news überschlagen sich zur zeit die berichte zur politschen
krise in canada.... hier mal etwas was heute erschien :

In Western Canada, the power-base of the Conservatives, Harper's supporters expressed outrage that the Liberals and New Democrats would join forces with the Bloc Quebecois.


The Bloc, which advocates an independent Quebec, has long been a lightning rod for criticism in Western Canada, where many residents complain their needs have long been ignored by the federal government in Ottawa.


"It's time to separate. The West must separate," bellowed a talk-radio caller to CKNW radio in Vancouver. In northern Alberta, one family told Reuters they were making "Democratic Republic of Alberta" signs to take to rallies.

Wie weit soll das noch gehen ???

Das Thema wird schon in 2 anderen threads behandelt, schaust Du hier:

f18t8744-der-teufel-ist-los-in-canada-neues-kabinet-watergate.html

oder hier:

f10t8754-was-geht-denn-gerade-in-canada-ab.html den hast Du sogar selber eroeffnet.


Wir wissen erst am Montag ob Dion die Macht uebernehmen kann oder ob es wieder mal Neuwahlen gibt.

Wo es hinführt kann ich dir nicht sagen, wo es hinführen kann, kannst Du überall in der Welt sehen wo der Reichtum ungleich verteilt ist.
"Nicht jeder Kommunist ist eine Lump, aber jeder Lump ist Kommunist" hat mal jemand gesagt und genau das ist das Problem. Diejenigen, die weniger haben sind immer dafür, das diejenigen, die mehr haben teilen sollen, wogegen diejenigen, die mehr haben nur darum mehr haben weil sie es Behalten und eben nicht abgeben.
Das Ergebnis ist immer das Gleiche.
Kanadas Bevölkerung hat sich in den letzten 20 Jahren verdoppelt. Glücksritter, Flüchtlinge, Abenteurer, und jeder will was abhaben von dem Kuchen und alle sind fest entschlossen es zu bekommen.
Da kommerzielle Ziele als Grund für Spaltung und Krieg international verpönt sind, werden eben Ethnische oder Religiöse Gründe vorgeschoben und dabei macht es keinen Unterschied, ob nun Serben gegen Kroaten zu Felde ziehen, obschon es nur um das Geld aus dem Touristikgeschäft an der Küste ging, oder in Kanada Frankophonen gegen die Anglophonen vorgehen obwohl es eigentlich um die Rohstoffe und das Öl geht und dann die East Indians gegen die Europeans.
Und bei jedem Krieg werden die Armen verlieren und die Reichen noch reicher.
Cheers.

"wollen" tun Politiker Vieles und erreichen dadurch Eines: In aller Munde zu sein, und in der Situation angeblicher Unsicherheit den Buergern Sicherheit zu vermitteln und sich selbst ein adaequates Einkommen.....

Die Sache mit WestCanada ist schon seit jahren irgendwie bekannt. Ich habe immer wieder den Eindruck dass es denen im Westen naturgemaess nunmal stinkt, dass die Partie Quebecois bei jeder federal election antritt und ihre Interessen, oder besser Quebecs Interessen, auf federal level hinkrigen will.

Durch die ganze Oelsand Thematik hat insbs. Alberta mehr Wirtschaft und dadurch auch mehr - sagen wir es mal so - gefuehlte Eigenstaendigkeit bekommen.

Witzigerweise gab es (zumindest noch bis vor zwei Jahren) Equalisation Zahlungen in Richtung WestCanada.
Diese "Equalisation" funktioniert eher aehnlich (vorsichtig verglichen) wie der deutsche Laenderfinanzausgleich und bezieht sich auf eine Zeit, als beisplw. Alberta wirtschaftlich noch rueckstaendiger war, als etwa Ontario.

was ich nur nicht verstehe, ist dass der der große nachbar mit seinen
50 bundesstaaten nie für unruhe sorgt was abspaltung betrifft.

Zitat von novascotian1972

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was ich nur nicht verstehe, ist dass der der große nachbar mit seinen
50 bundesstaaten nie für unruhe sorgt was abspaltung betrifft.

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Woher weisst Du das. Man hoert nur nichts davon ausserhalb der USA, was wirklich abgeht wissen wir nicht.

Bevor ich nach Canada kam war mir Canadische Politik auch vollkommen unbekannt, den Namen Harper kannte ich, aber Layton und Dion kennt in Europa kein Mensch. Frag mal einen Deutschen der Harper kennt welcher Partei Harper angehoert und welche Parteien es hier sonst noch gibt, da wird es duenn.........

Gruss,

Jan

@Jan Das wäre doch mal interessant etwas über Parteien und handelnde Personen in Kanada zu erfahren.Könntest du nicht einen kleinen groben Abriss über dieses Thema einstellen.Zum besseren Verständnis hier in Europa?

Frag mal einen Deutschen der Harper kennt welcher Partei Harper angehoert und welche Parteien es hier sonst noch gibt, da wird es duenn.........
Umgekehrt dürfte es noch wesentlich dürftiger mit Wissen um deutsche Politik sein. Eigentlich kennt die Masse der Amis nur einen "Prominenten" und der ist schon vor über 60 Jahren verbrannt!

Und "novascotian" hat wirklich ausgeprägte Ängste, was die Amis angeht.

Zitat von novascotian1972

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was ich nur nicht verstehe, ist dass der der große nachbar mit seinen
50 bundesstaaten nie für unruhe sorgt was abspaltung betrifft.

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Ich kann Dir dazu versichern, dass es zwischen California (unter diversen Vorgaengern Schwarzeneggers) und Washington einige groessere Differenzen gab.

Zitat von dr-blei

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@Jan Das wäre doch mal interessant etwas über Parteien und handelnde Personen in Kanada zu erfahren.Könntest du nicht einen kleinen groben Abriss über dieses Thema einstellen.Zum besseren Verständnis hier in Europa?

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Ich bin ja auch nur Fernsehzuschauer, noch nicht einmal Waehler (noch nicht). Ich kann aber mal versuchen was zusammenzustellen......

Gruss,

Jan

OK, hier mal ein Ueberblieck zur Politik in Canada:

Political parties represented in the House of Commons:

* Bloc Québécois (founded in 1991) - social democratic, Quebec nationalist
* Conservative Party of Canada (founded in 2003) - conservative, Canadian neoconservatism
* Liberal Party of Canada (founded in 1867) - liberal
* New Democratic Party (founded in 1961) - social democratic


The Bloc Québécois (BQ) is a federal political party in Canada that defines itself as devoted to both the protection of Quebec's interests on a federal level as well as the promotion of its sovereignty.[1] As such, it campaigns only within the province during elections.

The Bloc Québécois is supported by a wide range of voters in Quebec, from large sections of organized labour to more conservative rural voters. Members and supporters are known as "Bloquistes" [blɑˈkist(s)]. The party itself is sometimes known as the "BQ". English-speaking Canadians commonly refer to the BQ as "the Bloc".

The Bloc is a rare example of a major Western party that advocates the separation of a region critical to national politics. The Bloc is currently the third largest party in the Canadian House of Commons. The party has a close relation with the Parti Québécois (PQ, whose members are known as "Péquistes"), the provincial party that advocates the independence of Quebec from Canadian Confederation, but the two are not linked organizationally.



The Conservative Party of Canada (French: Parti conservateur du Canada), colloquially known as the "Tories", is a conservative political party in Canada, formed by the merger of the Canadian Alliance (formerly Reform Party) and the Progressive Conservative Party in December 2003. The party currently forms the Government of Canada (since February 6, 2006), although it does not enjoy a majority in the Canadian House of Commons and the opposition parties have indicated their intent to bring down the government through a motion of non-confidence.[1]. The CPC is led by the Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper.

Stephen Harper

Stephen Joseph Harper PC MP (born April 30, 1959) is the twenty-second and current Prime Minister of Canada, and leader of the Conservative Party. Harper became Prime Minister after his party won a minority government in the January 2006 federal election. He is the first Prime Minister from the newly amalgamated Conservative Party, following twelve years of government by the Liberal Party. Harper is the first Canadian prime minister born in the second half of the twentieth century.

With fewer actual votes[1] than in 2006, Harper's Conservative Party won a strengthened minority position in the October 2008 federal election, showing a small increase in the percentage of the popular vote and increased representation in the Canadian House of Commons with 143 of 308 seats.[2]

Harper has been the Member of Parliament (MP) for the riding of Calgary Southwest in Alberta since 2002. Earlier, from 1993 to 1997, he was the MP for Calgary West. He was one of the founding members of the Reform Party, but ended his first stint as an MP to join, and shortly thereafter head, the National Citizens Coalition. In 2002, he succeeded Stockwell Day as leader of the Canadian Alliance (the successor to the Reform Party) and returned to Parliament as Leader of the Opposition. In 2003, he reached an agreement with Progressive Conservative leader Peter MacKay for the merger of their two parties to form the Conservative Party of Canada. He was elected as the party's first non-interim leader in March 2004.



The Liberal Party of Canada (French: Parti libéral du Canada), colloquially known as the Grits (originally "Clear Grits"), is a major Canadian political party. The organization is located in the centre of the Canadian political spectrum, combining a liberal social policy with moderate economic policies. Starting with Wilfrid Laurier in 1896 every leader of the party (excepting current leader Stéphane Dion) has served as Prime Minister of Canada. The party has formed the Official Opposition in the Parliament of Canada since February 2006.

The Liberal Party is Canada's oldest functioning party at the federal level; the only party remaining from Confederation.[1] The Liberal Party held power for more years of the 20th Century than did any other party in any developed Western country.[citation needed] The party is led by Stéphane Dion, who was elected to the position at the party's leadership convention on December 2, 2006. After the party's second consecutive defeat (the first under the leadership of Paul Martin), Dion announced he will step down after a new leader is chosen.[2] Currently, a Liberal-led coalition is seeking to defeat the Conservative government as part of the 2008 Canadian political dispute.

Stephane Dion

Stéphane Maurice Dion PC MP (born September 28, 1955) is the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada and Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition in the Canadian House of Commons. Since 1996, he has been the Member of Parliament for the riding of Saint-Laurent–Cartierville in Montreal.

Dion is a former academic who served as a cabinet minister under Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin. Like all former Cabinet ministers, he is a member of the Queen's Privy Council for Canada, and has the right to the style "The Honourable" and the postnominal "PC" for life.

The New Democratic Party (French: Nouveau Parti démocratique) is a political party in Canada with a progressive social democratic philosophy that contests elections at both the federal and provincial levels. In the Canadian House of Commons, it holds a centre-left position in the Canadian political spectrum. The leader of the federal NDP is Jack Layton. The provincial New Democratic Party currently form the government in the province of Manitoba, and provincial parties have previously formed governments in British Columbia, Ontario, Saskatchewan and in the Yukon territory.

Jack Layton

John Gilbert "Jack" Layton PC MP (born July 18, 1950) is a social democratic Canadian politician and since 2003 has been leader of Canada's New Democratic Party. He is a former city councillor and acting deputy mayor of Toronto, Ontario. On June 28, 2004, he was elected Member of Parliament for the constituency of Toronto—Danforth. He is married to fellow MP Olivia Chow.

The son of a Progressive Conservative cabinet minister, Layton was raised in Hudson, Quebec. He rose to prominence in Toronto municipal politics where he was one of the most prominent left wing voices on city and metro council, and was also a Board member for the Toronto Harbour Commission. In 1991 he ran for mayor, but lost to June Rowlands. Remaining on council he rose to become head of the Federation of Canadian Municipalities. In 2003 he was elected head of the NDP on the first ballot of the convention.

Under his leadership, the NDP considerably increased their support, almost doubling the party's popular vote in the 2004 election, though vote splitting with the Liberals limited their gain in seats. Layton's NDP held balance of power in the Paul Martin's minority government, where in May 2005 the NDP supported the Liberal budget in exchange for major amendments, in what was promoted as Canada's "First NDP budget"[1] In November of that year, Layton worked with other opposition parties in bringing down the Liberal government over the findings of the Gomery Commission. The NDP saw further gains in the 2006 and 2008 elections, in which the party won more seats than it had since its 1980s peak. The NDP's current tally of 37 MPs under Layton is just 6 seats short of the party's all-time high under Ed Broadbent.


Other parties recognized by Elections Canada

* Animal Alliance Environment Voters Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - environmentalist, animal liberationist
* Canadian Action Party (founded in 1997) - populist, Canadian nationalist
* Christian Heritage Party of Canada (founded in 1987) - social conservative
* Communist Party of Canada (founded in 1921) - communist
* Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist) (founded in 1970)
* First Peoples National Party of Canada (founded in 2005) - Aboriginal rights advocacy
* Green Party of Canada (founded 1983) - Green
* Libertarian Party of Canada (founded in 1975) - libertarian
* Marijuana Party of Canada (founded in 2000) - pro-marijuana legalization
* Neorhino.ca (founded in 2007) - Joke party
* Newfoundland and Labrador First Party (founded in 2007) - Newfoundland and Labrador advocacy
* People's Political Power of Canada (founded in 2006)- social conservative, populist
* Progressive Canadian Party (founded in 2004) - progressive conservative, Red Tory
* Western Block Party (founded 2005) - western separatist and paleoconservative/libertarian conservative
* Work Less Party (founded in 2007) - Labour rights

Canadian House of Commons

The House of Commons (French: Chambre des communes) is a component of the Parliament of Canada, along with the Sovereign (represented by the Governor General) and the Senate.[1] The House of Commons is a democratically elected body, consisting of 308 members,[1][2] who are known as Members of Parliament (MPs).[3] Members are elected for limited terms, holding office until Parliament is dissolved, up to five years after the last election, but historically four or fewer years after. Each member is elected by, and represents, one of the country's electoral districts, which are colloquially known as ridings.[4]

The House of Commons was established in 1867, when the British North America Act 1867 created the Dominion of Canada, and was modelled on the British House of Commons. The "lower" of the two houses making up the parliament, the House of Commons in practice holds far more power than the upper house, the Senate. Although the approval of both Houses is necessary for legislation, the Senate very rarely rejects bills passed by the Commons (though the Senate does occasionally amend bills). Moreover, the Government of Canada is responsible solely to the House of Commons through a system of responsible government. The Prime Minister stays in office only as long as he or she retains the support of the Lower House.

It is widely thought that "Commons" is a shortening of the word "commoners". However, the term derives from the Anglo-Norman word communes, referring to the geographic and collective "communities" of their parliamentary representatives and not the third estate, the commonality.[citation needed] This distinction is made clear in the official French name of the body, la Chambre des communes. Canada remains the only country besides the United Kingdom to use the name "House of Commons" for the Lower House of Parliament.

The Canadian House of Commons chamber is located in the Centre Block of the Parliament Buildings on Parliament Hill, in Ottawa, Ontario.

Dankeschön Jan für deine Mühe. Sehr interresant und aufschlussreich.

LG Britta

Hallo zusammen.

Was die Parteien und das Verhalten der Waehler angeht.....

Kanadier sind schon lange unzufrieden mit Harper. Dann Neuwahlen. Raus kommt Harper. Dann Neuwahlen. Raus kommt Harper. Wieder Neuwahlen. Raus kommt ..... Bei 45% Wahlbeteiligung oder so. (Vorletzte Wahl) Waere in Europa und auch in USA ungueltig weil nicht die Mindestwahlbeteiligung erreicht wurde, wenn mich nicht alles taeuscht.

In den 90ziger war Canada am absoluten Rande einer Teilung. Also nichts Neues. Und wer die Geschichte Nordamerikas verfolgt muesste wissen warum die "Englischen" Herrscher die Franzosen nicht moegen. Schliesslich sind die Franzosen "schuld", dass die Teile der Kolonie (heutige USA) von England absplitterten. (Unabhaengigkeitskrieg) Damals brachen die Franzosen den Briten das "Genick" als sie die Haefen blockierten und den Abtruenningen halfen.

Und. Kanada besteht in seinen Grenzen wie es jetzt aussieht auch erst seit 2001. Gewusst?

Gruss

Ok nur zum besseren Verständnis!